Thursday, September 11, 2008

Nine Eight Sooted

I thought I would continue with my theme this week, and discuss a questionable fold in a live MTT with a sooted connector. This hand is from the same OCPT tournament as the AKs hand, but was during level 4 (5/10 Blinds) when rebuys were still available. This was after my mini-run, and I had just north of T600 in front (T300 to start), when I picked up 9d8d in the BB. There were a bunch of limpers, and I checked behind for a 5-way flop.



So I flop top 2-pair with a runner-runner flush possible as well. That is a highly coordinated flop though, so I need to be careful here. The SB opens for T25. I figured I had him for sure, so I popped it up to T100 to chase the probable draws away. Behind me there is a call, a push for about T800, a call for T550, and a fold from the SB who had opened. Holy Fawk! Again I am in the tank. It would be pretty sick to fold top 2-pair on the flop, but this is some pretty crazy action and this was a 5-way limped pot, so any holdings are possible. The shove for T800, and the call for T550 were from players that I respected. I was not concerned by the T100 caller. Had I been at or near my starting stack, I insta-push here, but since I had doubled up already, I needed to consider protecting my stack for later in the tournament. My thought was that there was a huge chance that I was already beat. JT, or 56 was probably out there. A set was possible. Even if somehow I was still ahead here, I had to be up against some fat flush and straight draws. Throw in some A9 and K9 type hands, and just about any cards that come on the turn/river will beat me. If I am already beat, I will need to hit a four outer for the boat. There is also a decent chance that one of my 9s is already gone (in one of the four other hands) leaving me three or less outs. I agonized and agonized about this. This is a rebuy so you pretty much can’t fold top two on the flop, right? I am getting some pretty sick pot odds here as well, though not enough if I am already behind.

I folded

So was it a good decision???

The results were pretty interesting, but they should not matter right? The important result I guess is what everyone else had. If I was right about being behind it was a great fold, even if I would have caught a boat. If I was wrong and was actually ahead of all 4 of them it was a bad fold even if they hit a draw? I will call this a bad fold for now.

The T100 guy called as well leaving three hands still active and all-in. Initial pusher had As4s for the nut flush draw. Initial caller of the push had QTo. Guy who called T100 and then both pushes had Js6s. So I was up against two flush draws, a double gutter, and an outside straight draw, but was somehow ahead of three others who pushed the flop.

Turn – Blank
River – Jd

QTo wins massive pot with a straight. I would have been nearly stacked. I was wrong about being behind, but right about facing a ton of fat draws. I was priced in for a call based on their actual holdings, but would have lost my double stack in the process. So was it a good fold?

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At 12:53 PM, Blogger lj said...

i fold. shove over re-raise and a call behind, and you have to think you're beat. even if you're not you're dodging lots of outs (with only a couple left for you).

At 1:38 PM, Blogger $mokkee said...

during the rebuy period, i call. in the same spot after the rebuy is over, fold.

At 1:42 PM, Blogger Memphis MOJO said...

I think it was a good fold. You "know" you're behind (turns out you were not). You had plenty of chips left to play with.

At 3:02 PM, Blogger RaisingCayne said...

I'm with Smokkee. No way would I make this call post-rebuy period, but also couldn't really making such a tight laydown during the rebuy period, where I'm okay 'gambling it up' a bit.


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